Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 15:03:25 -0500 (EST) R42.96
Hello - saw your web page. Have you considered doing a simulation on
your economic theory? If the underlying assumptions can be pinned down,
it would be possible to do a massive-scale simulation which would help
determine if the hypothesis is tenable.
REPLY
From: aab@teleport.com 45Reis.96
Ref: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 "simulation of economic theory" (Total work
in life buying, pay by the act of distribution).
The question "economic simulation, basic assumptions?" provides
still another viewpoint from which to write a brief discussion of
what is suggested on the http://www.teleport.com/~aab home page
about practical applications of resonation physics to replace force
overpowering force, equalism reasoning based physics. The rest of
the entries on the "Contents" page are other viewpoints. This will
be added to the "Answers to questions" part of the Contents page.
"Simulation of an economic theory" in a frame of reference of
computers used to study and produce data bases about everything
conceivable and perhaps some things inconceivable (such as the
conquering death suggestions on the above home page), implies
computer program modeling of a simulated economic system.
First; "assumptions". What the "validity" is that it is
suggested be tested, IS NOT primarily the validity of an economic
system, but rather the validity of the suggestion by Resonation
Physics that observing how nature functions throughout the universe
produces a suggestion that "nature" or "the universe" is a problem
solving device, with "problem" being defined as conditions going
from a higher to a lower level of effectability. In human emotional
language, "going from a higher to a lower level of effectability" is
what a human would call "destruction", or "deterioration from
something desirable to something undesirable", or "a roblem".
Thus "testing the validity" of "Resonation Physics" applied to
human business procedure, (by modeling such as on a computer instead
of actually doing it in real life), consists of evaluating or
forming opinions about whether the revisions in human business
procedure suggested by Resonation Physics would result in reducing
or ending destruction encountered in various relationships in
"equalism reasoning, force overpowering force" based human business
procedure.
A list of "destructive conditions" solved appears at the start
of the "contents" page, and also on the "Introduction" page of /~aab.
Those destructive conditions solved by using the "underlying
assumptions" in a human business procedure, it is suggested provides
tentative verification of the validity of Resonation Physics applied
to destruction encountered in human business transactions. Observing
a problem of destruction ended is a tentative verification of a
theory that says it shows how to end or avert destruction.
To be more specific about what is stated or implied in
"destruction" encountered as a result of the way human business
transactions are currently accomplished (equalism reasoning,
equalism exchanging, -- violation of the fundamental postulates of
Resonation Physics, "nature is a difference arranging procedure"
(not an "equalism exchanging" or "categorizing" procedure), ---
--- "Debt" and especially "unpaid debt" such as one sees arguing
about in the United States congress at this time, as well as most of
the rest of the legislatures of nations of the earth, and at this
particular date in history, the "standoff in Montana by a group of
"free men" refusing to pay their debts, mortgages on their property,
writing bad checks or bad money orders, etc. --- and in a more
general sense anyone who "loses their home, farm, property" through
inability to "pay their debts" or "financial (equalism reasoning
based) obligations, are humans who feel from a human emotional point
of view that they have been "destroyed" to some degree, (and often
consequently endeavor to use destruction to solve the problem of
what destroyed them, faulty reasoning from a Resonation Physics
point of view).
Their place to live has been "destroyed" (taken away from them).
They are nearer to or are approaching "destruction" through being
"homeless" because they "lost their home or farm" through the
"destruction" arising from "being unable to pay debts" in a equalism
reasoning based economic system.
The above is of course the terminology of human emotions. A
home" lost" by being unable to make its debt or mortgage payments is
not "destroyed". It still exists as a home, but "owned" by someone
else, presumably "taken back" by its debt issuer or mortgage
lender.
The person or family that thereby becomes "homeless" is not
"destroyed", they are still alive as human beings, (unless shot down
and killed by someone trying to repossess their home for non payment
of debts as in the recent FBI killings of various individuals). They
are simply "homeless", which in human emotional terms is a degree of
destruction.
Thus "simulating an economic theory" as you suggest, consists of
going through a list of what whoever or which group is doing the
"simulation" considers to be instances of "destruction" resulting
from current human business procedure, and determining by discussion
or debating if applying "total work in life buying, and, pay by the
act of distribution" to the examples of "destruction they discuss
would apparently be reduced or ended by applying Resonation Physics
"assumptions" or "postulates" to the destruction under discussion.
It would also be possible to "simulate" or "model" such tests of
validity (that destruction apparently is reduced or ended) by having
a group of students in a college class in Economics (Resonation
Physics reasoning based economics), make assumptions such as, each
student assumes a different "total value put into life" as either
goods or services, perhaps their perception of the total value put
into life by their same sex parent.
Then an "assumption" is made that there are various different
quantities of goods or services to distribute to the volunteers for
the model.
The goods and services are then distributed by the idea:
"larger total value put into life amount has prior choice for
personal use or reward in life for putting value into life, of a
reasonable amount of what is available of the availability of goods
and services assumptions of the simulation
One of the principal results of such a test is to determine
whether the volunteers in the test feel they can understand easier
(than by equalism reasoning based business procedure), how they
become able to receive out of the business system. For example, how
can one receive if goods or services are available to be received by
equalism reasoning, but one has no "equalism" to exchange for what
one receives? (debt?, stealing? starve to death when plenty of food
has been produced, go to war to steal it?). Then, how can one
receive in Resonation Physics based business procedure? (pay by the
act of distribution instead of having to "receive an equal in trade"
in order to be "paid" for what is distributed).
All of the above may be seeming to evade or beg the question
in current computer oriented classes implied by "simulation" whether
by computer or individuals in a "simulation", which is that
"simulation" using equalism reasoning based business procedure
implies or has to do with how to solve what I call "the mathematical
unworkability of equalism reasoning based business procedure".
The "mathematical unworkability" arises from the realities of "a
basic assumption" that "equals must be traded" to accomplish
economic distribution. This immediately brings up the "simulation"
problem of "who or what will be in charge of determining where
equals will be physically located in order to engage in "equalism
exchanging" (central banking system, treasury, chancellor of the
exchequer?). This in turns involves the assumptions involved in
setting up a national or economic system "controller of minting or
printing a medium of exchange", and how such a "medium of exchange
is distributed to exactly the right places, groups, or individuals
at exactly the right times to accomplish "distribution of the goods
and services an economic system produces by "exchanging equal
values", and what to do when the system breaks down because it is
mathematically unworkable.
Such a procedure is "mathematically unworkable" because what
something is "equal to" is such a constantly shifting amount by
equalism reasoning business, and, when it is found in real life
conditions that "something is available to be distributed" but
"customers do not have what it is equal to" to exchange for it, the
basic assumption of the system (of exchanging equals) breaks down,
fails to work, and the basic assumption of the system has to be
broken, evaded, ignored, and distribution accomplished by not
exchanging equals, by devices such as "debt" (pretending an equal
is being exchanged when it really is not), "free giveaways,
charity" (violates the human emotional assumption that one should be
rewarded by equalism receiving when something is distributed),
stealing (no equals exchanged, something of value taken without
giving an equal in exchange), etc, etc, through the long litany of
violations of the basic assumption of "equal exchanging", ---
because equalism reasoning based business procedure is
MATHEMATICALLY UNWORKABLE in real life conditions.
Thus "economic simulation modeling" (by computer) to try to
study such conditions as, what would be the effect of increasing the
prime lending rate (debt issuing) by 1/2% percentage point? -- do
not exist in the first pace in Resonation Physics based business
procedure. The need to "study such a model" does not exist in the
first place in Resonation Physics based business, because there is
no "debt" as an attempt to do something about the mathematical
unworkability of the system, (pretend one is exchanging an "equal"
when one really is not, or will eventually fail to "exchange the
equal" through debt default.
Resonation Physics is no more "mathematically unworkable" than
anything else one can observe anywhere taking place in the universe.
It is process of arranging quantities according to their magnitudes
by whatever criteria it takes to accomplish the same as or a larger
level of effectability (creation). Its "mathematics" are, everything
must be included. Its mathematics are "violated" if somethng is
treated as "0" if it can be measured (such as having "0" money to
trade for something). Self contradiction. How can something be "0"
if it can be measured?
A "mathematical mistake" (as distinguished from something that
is mathematically unworkable), in resonation physics is measuring
something's magnitude or size inaccurately (such as measuring the
quantity of value a human has put into life as "0" because a person
is broke and has no more money to spend after a life time of work).
It is suggested subject to verification testing, that nature
signals that a "mistake has been made in its mathematical system"
(something's magnitude for the purpose of graduated magnitudes
difference arranging), by what human evaluate as "DESTRUCTION" (more
precisely and quantitatively measurable as "decreasing level of
effectability").
As for how "price is determined" in an "economic model
simulation" using equalism reasoning business procedure, in which
one "models" or "simulates", or "uses a basic assumption", that a
certain quantity of medium of exchange is available in a specific
market area, and that "prices" will be determined for equalism
exchanging", by the quantity of what is available being divided into
the amount of medium of exchange available to be exchanged for an
item or service being studied (supply and demand of gasoline and
change in gasoline prices, as an example), --- embarking on such a
model simulation is a virtually endless, constantly changing,
virtually infinite relationship, and virtually incomprehensible to
most people. Realistically, one might wonder or speculate,
isn't there some better or simpler, easier to understand and use way
to do this that some inventor might think up?
Answer: yes. It is "total value put into life buying, pay by the
act of distribution".
"Value" for the purpose of "adding to an individual's total
value put into life position" is not determined in Resonation
Physics based business procedure by dividing availability of a
commodity into the quantity of a medium of exchange available to
exchange for the commodity, (in real life or in a computer model),
but instead by the procedure started around the year 1900 of
"debating and determining by voting" what is the value of a good or
service, and incorporating the results of such "determining value by
debate and voting" into "contracts" (such as labor union contracts,
and rates and fees schedules in various professions), stating what
the value is that is put into life for various kinds of labor or
materials that are put into producing something according to the
specifications of the "contract".
One thus eliminates the whole process in Resonation Physics
based business procedure of trying to "model" or "simulate" either
in computer programs or in real life, what the effects will be of
having various amounts of "medium of exchange to exchange" in
various places in an economic system, (and consequent changes in
"prices" or "credit availability), and when the system breaks
down, where to pretend that "equalism to exchange" exists when it
really does not, by devices such as "credit, debt either personal or
national, price controls, minimum wages, who qualifies for welfare
or free hand outs (such as those humans who are not actually doing
any work or putting any value into life because they spend a portion
of their time that otherwise could or should be used doing "actual
work in life", -- what they do instead of "work" is bearing and
rearing children; that "non work in life" by equalism reasoning
ideas of being a mother).
It is interesting to observe the position relegated to "female
humans bearing and rearing children" in "economic theory modeling"
using the "underlying assumptions" of "force overpowering force,
equalism reasoning based physics", compared to the identical
condition in an economic model or simulation using the "underlying
assumptions" or Resonation Physics, (everything measurable has to be
included in a difference arrangement. Leaving some measurable
condition out, (such as female humans rearing children, because
they have "no equalism to trade for what she and her children
receive out of life), is a "difference arranging violation"
according to the ideas of Resonation Physics.
An "underlying assumption" of a Resonation Physics business
procedure is that some mechanism is available to "determine
accurately and in a procedurally protected way from human lying or
bearing false witness, what is the "total value put into life" by an
individual, with such an amount determined in a reasonable length of
time. A "reasonable length of time" is defined as the time it takes
by current business customs and procedures to "sell something to
someone" such as by checking out groceries obtained in a grocery
store (by a mother bearing and rearing children as an example).
Or in other words, it is "not reasonable" to have to take
several hours, days, weeks, or months to determine if a customer can
receive what one wants from a vendor. Reasonable is on the order of
a few seconds or few minutes.
Thus "how long does it take to determine the total value a
customer for an item or service has put into life?" is a "basic
assumption" in Resonation Physics based business procedure.
Within the last few months as of the beginning of the year 1996,
the answer to that question by devices such as the World Wide Web,
electronic networking all over the earth by phone lines and wireless
satellite communication, and now increasingly by pocket size and
wrist watch size computers, has become -- the length of time it
takes to slide a plastic card down a slot, or point an electronic
communicator at an infrared scanner in a checkout line in a
grocery store or any other place of business that "takes credit
cards".
The technology NOW IN PLACE for such "reasonable length of time
date base accessing", is the same that enables a hiker or explorer
in the midst of a tropical rain forest or wilderness, to ask "where
am I?" and get an almost instant computer screen read out of one's
Latitude and Longitude anywhere on the earth.
The "simulation of economic theory" you suggest can be
individuals particularly in economics classes, and classes in
philosophy in schools and colleges to start discussing and "testing"
or "modeling" in their discussion groups what is described at
http://www.teleport.com/~aab.
In addition to alive in person classroom discussion, there now
are "news groups" or "chat groups" on school and college campuses
using computers, (see list of "news groups" available on Internet or
the World Wide Web about news groups on college campuses, a partial
list is on the Contents page as "News Groups asked for comments").
So far in over 18 months on Internet little or no success has
been accomplished in even getting individuals to acknowledge they
have read anything interesting on the /~aab home page, to say
nothing of "model" or "discuss simulations" of what it would be like
to use a Resonation Physics based human business procedure, instead
of an equalism reasoning based business procedure.
Part of the problem so far has been the virtual lack of
knowledge by anyone anywhere including and especially the access
providers to Internet and the www, and the writers of programs to
access various features supposedly available in the Internet, of how
to contact and post inquiries requesting responses to the various
news groups and chat groups on the Internet supposedly accessible by
various "browsers" such as Netscape, NCSA Mosaic, Quarterdeck
Mosaic and several others.
The features to accomplish such access and posting requesting
replies seem to be incorporated into such Internet browsers, but in
trying to use them one gets only an endless succession of error
messages that no one so far seems to know how to correct or do
anything about, either the program producer or users of the program.
Apparently the Internet is only usable in real life to type in a
"URL" or "Location", and sometimes without error messages be
connected to the typed in home page, But when one tries to down load
various files, or respond to "response boxes on screen", more error
messages no one knows anything about how to correct, or a download
simply stopping uncompleted after a few minutes, and no one knows
anything about why or how to correct such a failure to complete a
download.
Needless to say seldom is a response received to any inquiry
sent by email asking if anyone knows what to do about the problems
of how to access news groups, post requests for replies, or why
their information boxes give error messages instead of accept the
information supposedly requested. Phone numbers called simply
produce recorded messages that answer nothing.
The suggestion that emerges from this condition is that
apparently a substantial number and perhaps most of the individuals
so far trying to use Internet communication experience the same
problems.
7 or 8 indications that someone read something on the /~aab home
page in 18 months on Internet, could be an indication that only 7 or
8 people in 18 months managed to plow their way through an endless
succession of error messages and "cannot establish contact, etc.
etc." That seems to be life and communication so far on the www.
This of course casts serious reliability suspicions on the
"almost instantaneous" (reasonable length of time) communication
required to use a "total value put into life, pay by the act of
distribution" business system. It may not quite be a practical
reality yet (due to endless error messages that no one is
sufficiently computer literate so far to know how to correct). But
that condition will probably improve as younger "homo-net" humans
become older and become adults in human civilization.
I am currently waiting (April 5, 1996, it is 4 to 6 PM only on
the first Friday of each month) for the 2 hours each month set aside
by the Internet provider I use (teleport.com in Portland, Oregon, if
you ask a question the wrong way, wait 4 weeks to be able to ask it
a different way to get a usable answer), where one can ask actual
alive human beings face to face, questions about what if anything
can be done about endless error messages on it seems any kind of
access to anything on the Internet, instead of dialing a multitude
of phone numbers for "technical support", and getting nothing but
recorded messages about which button to push on one's telephone,
that end up nowhere with anyone who can answer specific questions
about what to do about error messages in their computer program or
service, or "press 1 and we will get back to you as soon as we can",
which turns out to be no reply no matter how long one waits, -- or
simply --- buzzzzz dial tone, phone hung up.
Colleges will not allow face to face association with actual
alive humans if one wishes to describe or ask for responses to new
ways to solve human problems that do not use the the ideas taught at
the college, (such as resonation physics instead of force
overpowering force physics, and thus are labled "politically
incorrect" or "academically incorrect"). Imagine suggesting people
are different from eachother on an "equality" or "equalism reasoning
based" college environment.
Ah well, such are the problems of "economic theory simulation
modeling" or getting any kind of responses from anyone about an
economic theory as of April 1996 (and since the middle 1940's when I
first started trying to get a college anywhere to show an interest
in letting me develop the "mathematics of nature" idea and its
potential practical applications.
Such a situation may improve in the years to come. Colleges may
eventually allow the question to be asked "does nature do its
mathematics based on the same assumptions as current human
mathematics?", --- and test or experimental conclusions drawn
from such a question that can lead to a suggestion such as "to end
or avert destruction in human business systems, using the procedure
nature apparently uses to engage in the processes of creation
throughout the rest of the universe, one could test the suggestion
`total value put into life buying, pay by the act of distribution'
to see if in human business relationships, evidence of the same
phenomenon can be detected observable throughout the rest of nature,
namely destruction reduced or ended, by a process of creation
(ability to effect and be effected by a larger number of
conditions).
Granted such a suggestion seems to violate "the second law of
thermodynamics" (everything in the universe is running down and
getting more and more disorderly).
Maybe we are using the wrong kind of mathematics to arrive at a
conclusion that everything is running down and getting more and
more disorderly. To me by my strange unacceptable way of reasoning
(by currently accepted academic requirements), it seems to me that a
human being as an example, is a "higher state or order or
arrangement" than the basic chemical elements out of which a human
being is composed, (can effect and be effected by a larger number
of differences than the chemical elements separated, not combined
into a living human being).
It is of course unacceptable on college campuses if one wishes
to be certified as literate by current ideas in human education, to
go beyond simply 150 pounds or so of something labeled in a
scientific laboratory as "a specimen of an alive human being", and
examine its properties with a little more perception than how much
it registers on a weight scales, and get into something such as
"what is the process its brain uses to compare itself to other
humans in terms of "status position" or "larger or smaller for the
purpose of difference arranging", (especially if it a female
specimen who has born children, or politicians deciding to use
destruction to solve problems), and to what extent do such
comparisons become involved in the relationships between groups of
humans that engage in riots, or on a level of nations in wars?
Such questions are not allowed. Proposed answers are not
allowed, or are too uninteresting to warrant a reply or a hearing.
Test verification: virtually no response to the /~aab home page in
over 18 months.
Thank you for being one of the 8 responses. Is there a
possibility you might mention the idea "total work put into life
buying, pay by the act of distribution" to some people you know and
ask them what they think of the idea, and maybe have them send their
opinion to aab@teleport.com ? -- or maybe you could mention in an
email message what they said.
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